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Do honest lesbians exist?

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wanderingRN
Joined: 08/29/2008
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Re: Do honest lesbians exist?
07/10/2010, 6:45 AM

Honest people exist... Does not matter -lesbian or straight- there are honest people out there..... 

I like to believe that anyway.  I may not have luck finding them, but I do know some people who have found them, so they must be there!!! 

 

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DDthePoet
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Re: Do honest lesbians exist?
06/05/2010, 7:30 PM
I really hope they exist and that I can on day find one that wants to be with one like me cause I keep finding the cheating liars... now I could use some honesty....I'm tired of my heart breaking!!!

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Beebear44
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Re: Do honest lesbians exist?
01/15/2010, 9:16 AM

honestly... you are beautiful....

 

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kissabella
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Re: Do honest lesbians exist?
10/03/2009, 2:43 PM

You are looking at one.

I am able to maintain my honesty easily unless i collide with someones mask --- then i tend to stand back.  in the process of becoming more honest with myself now ---   so your question is a loaded one  ...   you can only give away what you have and even then it may be 50% depending on the circumstances at that time.

 so yes ---  you are still looking at one

 

 

 

 

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gillianpip
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Re: Do honest lesbians exist?
04/26/2009, 6:04 PM

I hope honest lesbians exist. Boy right I am struggling actually finding one that I am attracted to and like that isn't straight..

Lisa

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DeeCee
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Re: Do honest lesbians exist?
04/07/2009, 11:10 AM

Yes, honest lesbians do exist, and other women who may not be lesbian but have same gender loving feelings. Many women lie because of fear of rejection, and others are dishonest because of ulterior motives.  I think most of us have internal instincts to know whether or not we are dealing with a person who are not truthful, and unfortunately some people will never change.  It's a fact of life.

 

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songbirdprez
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Re: Do honest lesbians exist?
02/22/2009, 6:33 AM
The proverbial "Honesty is the best policy" begs plurium interrogationum (many questions) as it is an implied dilemma. The question "Do honest lesbians exist" is a misleading discourse because something is implied without being said explicitly. Nowadays your question imposes outcome of a negative response to validate the dilemma, and in which the positive response has an invariant outcome in the concocted dilemma. Of course the common way out of this argument is not to answer the question (e.g. with a simple 'yes' or 'no'), so allow me to challenge the assumption behind your question. This question in itself is complex because it presupposes something that has not been proven or accepted by all the people involved. This typical fallacy within the lesbian world in my short experience is often used rhetorically, so I find that the question limits direct replies to those that serve the questioner's agenda. In other words, it is relative. It is also a psychological fact that when someone touts "I AM HONEST" or "I DO NOT GOSSIP" usually are the first people who contradict themselves. I would classify your question as cognitive dissonance which holds two contradictory ideas simultaneously. The "ideas" or "cognitions" in this question includes attitudes and beliefs, and also the awareness, justification and rationalization of one's (or anyone for that matter) behavior. Dissonance normally occurs when a person perceives a logical inconsistency among his or her cognitions. A powerful cause of dissonance is when an idea conflicts with a fundamental element of the self-concept, such as "I am a good person" or "I made the right decision." The anxiety that comes with the possibility of having made a bad decision can lead to rationalization, the tendency to create additional reasons or justifications to support one's choices. A person who just spent too much money on a new car might decide that the new vehicle is much less likely to break down than his or her old car. This belief may or may not be true, but it would likely reduce dissonance and make the person feel better. Dissonance can also lead to confirmation bias, the denial of disconfirming evidence, and other ego defense mechanisms.It is loaded because the word itself has plenty synonyms that is best described as principles and values: bluntness, candor, confidence, conscientiousness, equity, evenhandedness, fairness, faithfulness, fidelity, frankness, genuineness, goodness, honor, impeccability, incorruptibility, integrity, justness, loyalty, morality, openness, outspokenness, plainness, principle, probity, rectitude, reputability, responsibility, right, scrupulousness, self-respect, sincerity, soundness, straightforwardness, straightness, trustiness, trustworthiness, uprightness, veracity, and virtue. (Notice that the antonyms are few: artifice, cheating, deceit, deception, dishonesty, duplicity, falsehood, fraud, fraudulence, lying and treachery). How many lesbians do you know that actually exhibit these? Infidelity is also quite relative. My experience has shown that most have "dated" each other like that of the L-Word chart. (I am probably the only person I know that will never do the chart since I am always in various countries).My point is your question relies upon context for its effect. Human communication is complex; 90% of it is nonverbal and context is an essential part of it. Communication consists of the words said, tone of voice, body language and also: how these relate to what has been said in the past; what is not said, but is implied; how these are modified by other nonverbal cues such as the environment in which it is said and so forth.For example, if someone says "I love you", one takes into account who is saying it, their tone of voice and body language, and the context in which it is said. Is it a declaration of passion or a serene reaffirmation; is it public or private; is it insincere and manipulative; does it sound as if they are saying "Please pass the salt" or is it said in a joking tone, when they are annoyed at you?Conflicts in communication are common and often we ask "What do you mean?" or seek clarification in other ways. This is called "metacommunication": communication about the communication. Sometimes, asking for clarification is impossible. Communication difficulties are common in ordinary life, and often occur when metacommunication and feedback systems are lacking or inadequate or there is not enough time.Some people practice double binds which can be stressful and potentially destructive when one is trapped in a dilemma and punished for finding a way out, but making the effort to find the way out of the trap can lead to emotional growth. For example, when one is commanded to "be spontaneous". The very command contradicts spontaneity, but it only becomes a double bind when one can neither ignore the command nor comment on the contradiction. Often, the contradiction in communication is not apparent to bystanders unfamiliar with previous communications.Or say, someone says (like Mother to child)"You must love me".The primary injunction here is the command itself: "you must"; the secondary injunction is the unspoken condition that love is spontaneous, that the child love the mother genuinely, of its own accord."Be genuine" or in this "Be honest"The idea here is to present your true self to the person. But then the more you try, the phonier you are, and even the "act" of not trying is just another version of trying.Consider the following that affects view of "honesty" among individuals:Choice-supportive bias is a memory bias that makes past choices seem better than they actually were.Doublethink is the act of holding two contradictory beliefs simultaneously and fervently believing both. It is related to, but distinct from, hypocrisy and neutrality. Doublethink is a form of trained, willful intellectual blindness to contradictions in a belief system. Doublethink differs from ordinary hypocrisy in that the "doublethinking" person deliberately had to forget the contradiction between his two opposing beliefs — and then deliberately forget that he had forgotten the contradiction. He then had to forget the forgetting of the forgetting, and so on; this intentional forgetting, once begun, continues indefinitely. George Orwell's dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, describes it as "controlled insanity".Self-perception theory is a competing theory of attitude change. It asserts that we develop our attitudes by observing our behavior and concluding what attitudes must have caused them. The theory is counterintuitive in nature, as the conventional wisdom is that attitudes come prior to behaviors. Furthermore, the theory suggests that a person induces attitudes without accessing internal cognition and mood states. He/She reasons his/her own overt behaviors rationally in the same way he/she attempts to explain others’ behaviors.Hope my musing and revelry entertained you at least :) I had 10 cups of coffee which tends to allow me to philosophy on life.Your human observateur,Songbirdprez

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hyer
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Re: Do honest lesbians exist?
10/29/2008, 9:28 PM
Yep! They most certainly do!!!

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julietteandthelick
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Re: Do honest lesbians exist?
09/22/2008, 6:19 PM
i feel im pretty honest although i have to agree with the girl a couple posts ago who said there isn't a thing as 100% honesty everyone lies at some point or another....  maybe we're all just afraid of each other and thats why we lie

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peds_rn
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Re: Do honest lesbians exist?
07/30/2008, 9:27 AM
Do I believe in 100% honesty?  Hell no!  I originally posted this topic because I thought it was important for most people who do feel in their hearts that they are gay to be honest and to be accept of themselves.  Another reason I posted this topic to point out the fact that most relationship, either straight or gay, can not survive long-term if both partners do not trust and are not totally and I mean totally honest with each other.  For me, all meaningful relationships are build upon trust and loyalty.  I not only expect that from my girlfriend but also from my good friends.  Yes I do bend the truth sometimes whenever I deal with some people, for example my co-workers whom I dont considere my friends.  I am a very blunt and honest, but as the same time I am not insensitive.  The truth is that there are alot of people out there who can not face or want to hear the truth about themselves.  I just come to accept the fact that there are just dishonest people out there and I have chosen to have very little to do with them.  Most of these people are users and takers and feel like they can say or do anything because they can get away with it.  They dont care about the victims or the heartache they left behind.  I just dont need love bad enough to want to be or put up with someone like that.   

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sologirl
Joined: 01/08/2008
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Re: Do honest lesbians exist?
07/30/2008, 1:33 AM

I just joined this group and the topic here is of great interest to me.  Do honest lesbians exist?  Well, if you are talking 100% honest all the time, probably not.  I would say I am honest about 98% of the time, but if I am dealing with someone I feel is being dishonest, I will go around the back door to get the truth, even if some reciprocal deception is involved on my part.  I also have been known to say things like "Honey, even if you went into a permanent coma (or were completely paralyzed, or we woke up in the morning and you had become a man overnight) I would always stay with and be true to only you" when I don't exactly know if that is the truth.  A friend of mine once said to a new partner "if you ever hit me or cheat on me I'm out of here" and then when it happened she didn't go.  What about the people who say "I will never hit you or cheat on you again" and then they do?  Or what about divorce???  All these marriages start with people vowing to stay and love the other person until death do they part, through thick and thin, high and low, sickness and health, rich or poor.  Most people don't stick to that if the going gets tough.  Are these types of statements lies if the person meant it when when she said it? 

 Some of what complicates honesty in new relationships is expectations.  I have been reading a lot of personal ads, and the requirements of relationship-seekers run the gamut.  "Must love cats" or "no baggage" or "want someone smart, funny and attractive."  The list goes on and on.  Never once have I seen anyone advertise "must be authentically yourself."  The pressure is high to at least try to fit a certain bill.

 And then there is dishonesty in old relationships.  I was partnered for 9 years with a girl who told me almost every day how happy she was with our relationship and how much she loved me.  I asked her from time to time how she felt things were going and if there was anything she didn't feel good about that we (or I) needed to work on and she always said no, things were great.  Then one day she just walked out of my life without explanation.  When pressed, she said she hadn't been happy with me for quite awhile, that I was too demanding, etc.  All the icky stuff people say when saying goodbye.  I asked her why she never mentioned any of this, either as the initiator of the conversation or in response to my asking how she felt things were going.  She said she didn't know.  I asked her to explain what she meant when she told me so often, right up to the end, how happy and in love with me she was.  She said she didn't know anymore more what she said or what she meant by it.  And just like that, she was out of my life. (We were married, by the way.) 

I think we owe each other accuracy about our feelings, thoughts, habits, etc. whether we are in a new relationship or an old one, but sadly, most people don't think like that.  They say whatever is most likely to get them what they want or need. Sometimes I wonder if society has been stuck on "self-love" a little too long.  Self-love is important, but when self is all that matters, deceiving becomes much easier.  

Thanks for all the great postings on this topic, it is a big one and there is a lot to say about it! 

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GirlyWarrior
Joined: 07/30/2008
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Re: Do honest lesbians exist?
07/29/2008, 10:23 PM

Yes, I agree with the superficialality of People as a whole now days.... Wow, I feel this material World is slowly ( not so slowly anymore it seems ) molding many women into these fasionable, money hungry, fast lane, ladies who are forgetting who they are inside. So I think the Question should not only be ' Do honest lesbians exist ' but where are all the down to earth "real" lesbians hiding??!! Are they slowly dieing off and being over drivin by the Next lesbian generation?? I know I am in this new breed of " The L Word " lesbian but I sometimes feel alone because I refuse to be apart of it... I am still the down to earth gal who is hard working and honest and wants the simple things in life like a home cooked meal at the table. I guess I am one of the few raised 'old school' and want to uphold the old values and ways of life.. So why is this world making me feel like I am 35 mentally in a 22 yr old body... hmmm               - last of her kind  

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